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The Ghost in the Killer: Post Episode Discussion

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Hello and happy 2014!

How did you like this episode? The comments are open–discuss!

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25 thoughts on “The Ghost in the Killer: Post Episode Discussion

  1. Loved this episode. The dynamics between all the team and B&B were awesome! Loved the scene between Clark and Brennan. I can’t wait to watch it again on hulu!

  2. And I think the gardener is the ghost killer.

    • I agree. She looked very suspicious to me as well. Although the sister could be a viable suspect my gut feeling is saying it’s the gardener.

    • I was thinking the sister, but now that you mention it I’m leaning towards the gardener. What other reason would there be to have that character show up at all?

  3. I loved the episode!!! Awesome as usual!!!

  4. Awesome episode. Loved Booth comforting Brennan in bed. Especially the part where Brennan demands to be held tighter:)
    It’s official, I am absolutely in love with Hodgin’s and learning more of his backstory is fantastic. There is so much depth his character. He is perfect but not in the one dimensional self righteous way Aristoo is. TJ Thyne was brilliant in every scene. I love his voice.

    Have to say I really didn’t like Cam in this episode, especially how she dealt with catching Clark in the shower. If she could see that Clark was struggling, as a boss, it was her responsibility to determine what the issue was and help him cope. The whole reason that she was given the top job was because she is supposed to be better with people than Brennan. Plus considering that “her lab” fell apart without Brennan I am not sure I enjoy her authoritarian approach with Brennan. It’s one thing to assert your authority and another to act entirely dismissive. Particularly as Booth said, Brennan almost never acts like this and, given her track record occasionally, she can be given a bit of leeway. Now to be fair, we didn’t see Brennan do this for months on end as the episode suggested so that may be why I am not as understanding of Cam’s attitude. There was just something about the way Cam came across that wasn’t very appealing to me. I know she was trying to help Brennan by getting Clark involved but was it necessary to hide it from Brennan if she was going to pull “I am the boss” routine anyway?

    I thought Booth handled the situation as well as he could. I do wish he told her he believed her earlier. There have been many times Booth has believed strongly in something against the evidence. Most notably the case where Flynn was being framed and Brennan showed absolute faith in him. I would have liked it a bit better if he had believed her as wholeheartedly rather than telling Cam he *wanted* to believe her.
    The end scene when Booth was very sweet. I like that he told her, if she didn’t believe in the evidence then neither would he.

    Overall pretty good for a winter premiere. Can’t wait for next week.

    • Booth has absolute faith in Brennan, but Brennan wasn’t acting like her. He has absolute faith in how she works, how her mind works to connect and read the evidence and the evidence wasn’t there. He wanted to believe her, so bad but she’s not a gut person and she was only going on what Pelant had planted on her mind. It could not have been pleasant to hear her say that she was “used to the nightmares”. He just didn’t want Pelant to drive her obsession. He wanted her to be in control and do things her way. In the end, that’s what happened. They’re going to keep looking but do things right

      • It was frustrating to watch the initial kitchen scene with Booth dismissing Brennan’s reasoning. It felt like he didn’t believe her but he just didn’t want to argue. Brennan didn’t just dream up the “ghost killer” she was told by Pelant who’s clues have always directed them in the right direction in the past. In Sense in the Sacrifice, Cam was convinced that Pelant was just distracting Brennan with the cold cases but it did end up leading Brennan to Pelant. Thus there is “some” logical evidence to back Brennan’s reasoning. The fact that she hasn’t found a link yet doesn’t mean anything. These are cold cases and if the evidence was so easy to find it would have been found years ago. Which brings to me to the other point that it doesn’t make sense that the department would be annoyed that Brennan’ was looking into the cold cases. After all isn’t that Brennan’s job? For Cam not to be able to justify looking into the cold cases is strange.

        Also, there have been at least 2 times Brennan’s “gut” has been correct in the past. Bod in the Pod and Spark in the park. Both times she made a connection based on something the suspect said or did and ended up being correct. So Brennan has made intuitive leaps before that have pointed them in the right direction. In Bod in the Pod, Booth was only convinced after his “gut” told him to suspect the competitor not because there was any evidence pointing to him either. If Booth has allowed his gut to drive the course of an investigation in the past then the least he could do is afford Brennan’s intuition the same acknowledgment which he sort of did but grudgingly.

        Like I said I think Booth handled it the best he could but it would have been nice if he just said he believed her at the outset but obviously there needs to be some sort of drama. I think he handled the Limbo scene well and I did like that he pushed Cam to let Brennan continue to investigate. Booth also has his own issues with Pelant and he wasn’t inclined to believe Pelant in Sense in the Sacrifice anyways.

        The episode felt a bit like Mother and Child in the bay where Booth and Cam were ready to arrest the husband based on their bias and Brennan had to push for further investigation to find more evidence. Here Cam came off very closed minded not to mention borderline disrespectful by giving the case to Clark without telling Brennan. Even when Hodgins brought up evidence that Trent may have been the one who wanted to find out what happened to Lana Cam entirely dismissed it. I normally like Cam but I was very annoyed with her by the end. She may be the boss but the fact that she has a lab to boss around is mainly because of Brennan.

    • >> Have to say I really didn’t like Cam in this episode, especially how she dealt with catching Clark in the shower.
      >> If she could see that Clark was struggling, as a boss, it was her responsibility to determine what the issue was and help him cope.

      The problem is, Cam could literally be fired if the Board found out that she was disregarding established policy and allowing an employee to defacto live at the office. So she had to come down on Clark in that sense.

      Similarly, Cam could also be fired for either allowing the departments funds to be used on a wild goose chase or for knowingly miscategorizing certain expenses to try to hide the fact that they were really being used to fund Brennan’s wild goose chase.

      Dr. Brennan ought to have deliberately donated her personal funds to the Jeffersonian with the specific provision that it was to be used to fund the investigation into trying to prove that certain deaths were perpetrated by a serial killer and then trying to identify that serial killer.

      Problem with that is, that back when Hodgins had his money, there was some reference to there being rules in place preventing him from donating his own money to purchase certain expensive lab equipment that weren’t nearly as needed by the lab as they were wanted by Hodgins because they are his big boy toys.

      I never could understand that policy. Refusing to accept donations if the item designated as being the required use of that donation IS something that could legitimately be used by the Jeffersonian? Why the heck not?

      • As a boss there is a certain amount of discretion you are allowed to indulge in. You don’t have to report every infraction. Especially as this one doesn’t affect the legitimacy or reputation of the lab, unlike the time Hodgins stole evidence for example. I am not saying she shouldn’t have reprimanded Clark but the manner was very unkind given she probably suspected he was going through some personal difficulties. Also, she didn’t have to ask if he was living at the lab just if everything was alright in his personal life and if there was anything she could do to help. It’s basic humanity. Maybe encourage him to talk to someone like Sweets etc.

        >>”Similarly, Cam could also be fired for either allowing the departments funds to be used on a wild goose chase or for knowingly miscategorizing certain expenses to try to hide the fact that they were really being used to fund Brennan’s wild goose chase. Dr. Brennan ought to have deliberately donated her personal funds to the Jeffersonian with the specific provision that it was to be used to fund the investigation into trying to prove that certain deaths were perpetrated by a serial killer and then trying to identify that serial killer.”<>”I never could understand that policy. Refusing to accept donations if the item designated as being the required use of that donation IS something that could legitimately be used by the Jeffersonian? Why the heck not?”<<

        I agree. Its a plot contrivance for the sake of drama rather than a rule that makes sense. I don't think any scientific institution would turn down a donation of costly equipment if it was relevant. The only thing I could think of is if the donation came from a questionable source that the institution didn't want to be associated with. But even if it was the mob I am not sure the donations would be turned down.

      • >>Similarly, Cam could also be fired for either allowing the departments funds to be used on a wild goose chase or for knowingly miscategorizing certain expenses to try to hide the fact that they were really being used to fund Brennan’s wild goose chase.
        Dr. Brennan ought to have deliberately donated her personal funds to the Jeffersonian with the specific provision that it was to be used to fund the investigation into trying to prove that certain deaths were perpetrated by a serial killer and then trying to identify that serial killer.<<

        Forgot to respond to this part in my last post. The thing is had Cam discussed her funding concerns with Brennan it is possible that Brennan would have understood and contributed her own funds. To be honest there is a huge plot contrivance for the sake of conflict here. Solving cold and difficult cases is part of the lab's responsibility. These murders exist and it shouldn't raise any red flags from the department if Brennan is looking into them. I could understand the argument if the lab wasn't productive in the meantime. But Brennan has solved multiple murders since hearing about the "ghost killer" and had already started looking at the remains of Lana Brewster before she made a leap to connect it. So there was no indication Brennan was only working on "ghost killer" cases. It's no different than Angela using the Jeffersonian resources to clear Brennan while still doing her work. Or Hodgins looking into the gravedigger on the side. Or the fact that they were still working on the Pelant cases for more than 2 years and technically never solved them either. How did Cam justify those expenses to the department? Booth and Clark responding to Brennan that she is not working as her best rational objective self makes sense, Cam saying its a funding issue doesn't make sense to me. If Cam had believed in Brennan's theory then she would never had made an issue of it. You think she would have learned to be a bit more openminded considering she was wrong the last time about Pelant misdirecting Brennan.

        Cam, as the boss, doesn't *have to* be nice to Clark or discuss her decisions to Brennan but it is not conducive for a positive productive working environment. Not to mention that both Clark and Brennan have a rare skill that is not easily replaced unlike Cam's . Not to negate Cam's abilities but her skill set is commonplace and the reason her lab is successful is predominantly related to the brilliance of the forensic anthropologists. Like she said told Brennan BitE, Brennan could find her "A" forensic anthropologist but not necessarily someone who could do this job. Cam was hired for her administrator skills and I have no problem with her asserting her authority but it should include treating both Brennan and Clark with respect and kindness which wasn't visible in this episode.

    • The problem is that while yes there is some sort of evidence about the ghost killer and Brennan has gone with her gut before, this time she wasn’t dealing with all of this in a healthy manner. Also, as you said, Booth has his own issues with Pelant and he just wants him dead and out of their lives for good, yet she keeps him alive by dreaming about him and letting him rattle her even after death. The way she was dealing with it WAS obsessive. He’s the one that gets to deal with her day in and day out so he’s the one directly affected by her emotional state.

  5. I loved the episode. The opening teaser was amazing and got my whole attention (and this hasn’t really been happening lately with Bones). Also I loved Clark’s struggle and I was feeling for him lots. Also Hodgins. Gosh, I want a Hodgins of my own! his subplot was the masterpiece of the episode, starting with his background, bonding with Sweets, scene with Trent and hm, pretty every scene he was in 🙂

    About Brennan, loved her scene with Clark, but part of me kind of wishes, she’s wrong about the ghost serial killer stuff… right now I see this more like unhealthy obsession that anything real, with substance. I may agree that Trent hasn’t killed himself, I’m not sure I believe the whole “ghost killer” stuff. After all the only source we have now is Pelant…

    All in all, a very good episode, lots of drama which I enjoy the most. I definitely prefer the character development and relationship development (Hodgins/Sweets, Clark/Brennan) than any mushy, fluffy BB scene, the beginning, Booth getting Bren going home, and the ending was well enough for me.

    Can’t wait to see how this new storyline progress.

    (on a side note, did you notice the child-proofed staircase in the opening teaser? even if we don’t see little Christine, she’s there 😉 ).

  6. This thing with Clark and Nora breaking up seems out of the blue. He made a reference to her in The Woman in White and it didn’t seem like there was a problem.

    I feel like the killer might be the McNamara’s gardener. Because that might be where the odd pollen that Hodgins found came from.

    Has the guy that played Trent been a guest star on Bones before? He looks familiar. And if I’m not mistaken he’s played the killer in another case before.

    • In Woman in the White, someone asked Clark if he was going to marry his girlfriend he looked a bit uncomfortable suggesting to me that he wasn’t ready for that. I thought it was a great lead into Clark saying Nora wanted to get married which resulted in them breaking up.

      • Exactly! And the fact that it was mentioned (in WiW) that they’d been together for 8 years pretty clearly explains why she would have broken up with him. Unlike with Brennan, who’d had her ISSUES for years, we have never been given any indication that Clark has any issues per se with marriage, so whatever was holding him back from marrying Nora must have been something specific to the unique relationship that they had had together. Whatever it was, they weren’t able to resolve their differences.

  7. I know Brennan wants to find the Ghost Killer and I’m on her side but I agree with Booth I rather Brennan do it her way then keep Pelant alive and continue to have nightmares that she’s obsessing over finding evidence that link the cases together, by her doing that she’s allowing Pelant to have control over her from the grave. I didn’t mind the fact that Cam took the Ghost Killer investigation away from Brennan because even I thought that she needed to take a step back from it. I rather her have a clean mind and come to in a healthier matter then for to investigate it from a unclear mind and unhealthy matter.

    I felt very sad for Clark that him and his girlfriend broke up and really liked the scenes between him and Brennan those two have come along away, it’s good to see that they have a better working relationship hope it stays that way. Not that I would mind if ever once in a while they clash. Over all a good first episode back from the break.

    One more thing. Hours after the episode ended I kept thinking about who the Ghost killer could possibly be which lead to me to think outside the box and wonder whether the medical examiner that was payed off is really dead and could she be the Ghost Killer? Now, hear me out I know it sounds crazy and unlikely and maybe just maybe I watch way to many mystery/crime shows and movies. lol But to quote from one of the mystery/crime movies the Usual Suspects “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist. And like that *poof* he was gone” I mean think about it wouldn’t be hard for her to fake her death, assume another persons identity and with the $1.9 that she was payed off she could change her appearance. The Ghost Killer would want to make sure that no one that knew her could recognize her and stay hidden while she continues her murders I mean no one would be looking or suspected someone who is supposedly already dead. I just know I wouldn’t real her completely out.

    Just a thought a crazy thought but the more I think about maybe it isn’t. Let me what you guys think of my crazy theory.

    • Its actually a great theory. Maybe she killed Lana and then convinced Trent’s father that Trent killed her thus extorting him for money. Not to mention someone who kills so sneakily would need to have significant knowledge of human anatomy to be able to accomplish her goals.

      The main thing that leads me to believe that its the gardener is because her scene was so out of the blue. What was the point of showing us a female gardener who is overly protective of Trent if doesn’t have deeper meaning. But maybe it was to misdirect us because it was so blatant. Who knows?

      The main question that is haunting me is how did Pelant figure it out? In some way the cases have to be related to someone at the Jeffersonian?

      • Maybe through his connection to Hodgins. Pelant messed around a lot with Brennan because he had a huge psycho crush on her but he also messed a lot with Hodgins, since his first episode.

      • Would Pelant really go through every family the Hodgins family was friends with? That would be a lot of people. Plus Hodgins wasn’t really close to the Mcnamaras. Trent slept over once and then they never talked again after that. Its a pretty far off connection.

  8. Finally watched! Thoughts:
    *interesting opening…nice to see a procedural like Bones doing something a little different now and then
    *Brennan with nightmares Booth still stuck with Pelant overhead…they still aren’t free of him
    *Epiphany: maybe the low-key death of Pelant wasn’t so terrible…it left many unanswered questions, and that’s almost worse because it just lingers around with no solution
    *Did Cam “need” to interrupt Clark’s shower?
    *Hodgins had a girlfriend named Muffy?? Lol 🙂
    *They mentioned Hodgins money again…so they aren’t letting it go, I’m considering this a good sign
    *It’s good to see Brennan shaken up again like Doctor in the Photo, she needs to learn how to balance her head and emotions
    *Hodgins should not be at the crime scene with his knowing the victim and sister
    *Nice moment between Brennan and Clark, but not sure why she wants him to call her Temperance though…
    *And a nice B&B moment at the end..good ep

  9. I thought this was a great episode!

    My thoughts on the ghost killer – perhaps it is Trent’s sister? The actress had quite an important role on gossip girl, and she seemed really under-utilised in the Bones episode.

  10. I think the ghost killer will be something like the goremagon episodes where it is a position handed down by apprentices. I don’t know who the killer is, but I know that it is adding up to something big

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